{"id":24174,"title":"Danny Devos - 2012 - Je fais des choses [FR, interview]","dimensions":"2 p.","date_begin":null,"material":"","art_status_id":13,"legal_status_id":47,"category_id":168,"platform_id":1,"deleted":false,"asset_count":0,"stream_count":0,"collection":"Hans Theys Archive / Archief Hans Theys","cached_tag_list":"","publishing_process_id":1,"annotation":"","date_end":null,"reference":"","stream_count_app":4,"permalink":"danny-devos-2012-je-fais-des-choses-fr-interview","description_ca":"","short_description_ca":"","description_it":"","short_description_it":"","cached_primary_asset_url":null,"cached_actor_names":"Hans Theys","hide_from_json":false,"prev_platform_id":null,"description_uk":null,"short_description_uk":null,"description_tr":null,"short_description_tr":null,"mhka_works":false,"category":{"en":"Interview","nl":"","fr":""},"poster_image":null,"poster_credits":null,"translations":[{"locale":"en","short_description":"","description":"\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); 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white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eI\u0026nbsp;Do Things\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eConversation with Danny Devos\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDanny Devos (b.\u0026thinsp;1959) is one of the most radical and consistent artists in our country. I\u0026nbsp;don\u0026rsquo;t know him personally, but I\u0026nbsp;did meet him a\u0026nbsp;few times. He is alert and focused. The reason for our conversation is his 1980\u0026nbsp;performance at the International Cultural Centre (ICC) in Antwerp. In a\u0026nbsp;recently published monography, he described this work as follows: \u0026lsquo;I\u0026nbsp;placed my home-made ladders on the marble staircase and threw myself down it, from top to bottom, six times.\u0026rsquo; I\u0026nbsp;asked him about the materials he had used to make the ladders and whether they had crashed down with him, or if they had broken his fall.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDanny Devos: No. The ladders were part of my graduation project at the Academy in Ghent. They were made from different materials. One was crafted from branches held together with plaster of Paris, another had been cut out of fabric and so on. I\u0026rsquo;d exhibited those ladders on the marble staircase, but I\u0026nbsp;think I\u0026nbsp;removed them for the performance. It was probably the last day of the exhibition. You could check it out on YouTube, where there\u0026rsquo;s a\u0026nbsp;video of the performance. (I\u0026nbsp;did as he suggested: the video is called \u003cem\u003eDDV \u0026ndash;\u0026nbsp;Trapfilmpje [remix]\u003c/em\u003e; there are no ladders in the clip.) Those ladders, that was just filling. The performance consisted of me throwing myself down the stairs from a\u0026nbsp;crouching position, repeated six times.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- You were twenty-one.\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: Yes, it was in September, so I\u0026nbsp;was just turning twenty-one. It was my 38th performance. I\u0026nbsp;only \u0026lsquo;officially\u0026rsquo; started doing performances in\u0026nbsp;1979, but I\u0026rsquo;d been performing since\u0026nbsp;1976. I\u0026nbsp;did similar things back then, such as carrying a\u0026nbsp;rock for a\u0026nbsp;long time, I\u0026nbsp;still have a\u0026nbsp;recording of the work, yet had no idea\u0026nbsp;that performances or actions even existed. At the Sint-Lukas -Institute, contemporary art history stopped in\u0026nbsp;1945. In\u0026nbsp;1976, it was impossible for a\u0026nbsp;seventeen-year-old to find out about people like Chris Burden. But I\u0026nbsp;went to school in Brussels and lived in Vilvoorde. And I\u0026nbsp;started doing things in the evening and at night. I\u0026nbsp;didn\u0026rsquo;t find out about the Vienna\u0026nbsp;actionists, such as Rudolf Schwarzkogler and Gina\u0026nbsp;Pane, until much later, via\u0026nbsp;the Baronian Gallery in Brussels.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Why do you mention Vilvoorde?\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: In Machelen, a\u0026nbsp;district of Vilvoorde, they bulldozed an entire neighbourhood to build the junction between the E19 and the E40. My grandparents lived in the district. There was one other house next to theirs and then a\u0026nbsp;dead end, where the viaduct was built. On the other side of the street was a\u0026nbsp;10-metre-deep pit. Later, to reduce the noise, the authorities built a\u0026nbsp;3-metre-high metal wall across the street. That became my grandparents\u0026rsquo; view for the rest of their lives. The industry in Vilvoorde started to decline. The airport wasn\u0026rsquo;t far away. It was an extremely oppressive environment, but also very exciting. To witness the building of such a\u0026nbsp;junction is a\u0026nbsp;once in a\u0026nbsp;lifetime event. Belgium\u0026rsquo;s run out of space for such things. But I\u0026rsquo;m not a\u0026nbsp;socially engaged artist. I\u0026nbsp;just think from within my surroundings and I\u0026nbsp;do things. What these things mean, others have to decide. It\u0026rsquo;s the same with those ladders. When is something a\u0026nbsp;ladder? When it looks like a\u0026nbsp;ladder? Or do you have to be able to actually climb it?\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Did this make you feel that there was no room left for common people?\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: Yes\u0026hellip; At the same time, they were demolishing the Quartier Nord in Brussels, where I\u0026nbsp;went to school. And I\u0026nbsp;shuttled back and forth between the two places. It really did feel as though there was No Future. I\u0026nbsp;was into Punk and New Wave at the time. During my first year at the Academy, I\u0026nbsp;used fibreboards to build an installation that people could walk through. Only when they were in the middle did they realise that they were standing on top of me.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eMontagne de Miel, 1\u0026nbsp;June\u0026nbsp;2012\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n"},{"locale":"nl","short_description":"","description":"\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n__________\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\nHans Theys\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cstrong\u003eIk doe dingen\u003cbr /\u003e\r\nEen gesprekje met Danny Devos\u003c/strong\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cem\u003eDanny Devos (\u0026deg;1959) is een van de meest radicale en consequente kunstenaars in ons land. Ik ken hem niet persoonlijk, maar heb hem wel enkele keren ontmoet. Hij is op zijn hoede of, anders gezegd, alert en gefocust. De aanleiding voor ons gesprek is een performance die hij uitvoerde in 1980 in het Antwerpse ICC. In een onlangs gepubliceerd boek omschreef hij die performance als volgt: \u0026lsquo;Ik plaatste mijn zelfgemaakte ladders op de marmeren trap en liet mij vervolgens zes keer van de trap naar beneden vallen.\u0026rsquo; Ik vroeg hem van welk materiaal die ladders gemaakt waren en of hij ze had gebruikt om zijn val te breken of te begeleiden.\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDanny Devos: \u0026lsquo;Neen. Die ladders waren een deel van mijn afstudeerproject aan de Gentse academie. Ze bestonden uit allerlei materialen. Een ervan bestond uit takken die ik met verbandplaaster verbonden had, een andere had ik uit stof geknipt enzovoort. Ik had die ladders tentoongesteld op die marmeren trap, maar voor de performance heb ik ze, denk ik, verwijderd. Waarschijnlijk was het de laatste dag van de tentoonstelling. Je zou het kunnen checken op YouTube. Daar staat een filmpje op van de performance. (Dat heb ik gedaan. Het heet \u003cem\u003eDDV - Trapfilmpje [remix]\u003c/em\u003e. Er zijn geen ladders te zien op het filmpje.) Die ladders, dat was bladvulling. De performance bestond erin dat ik mezelf zes keer vanuit gehurkte positie naar beneden heb laten vallen.\u0026rsquo;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Je was 21.\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: Ja, het was in september, ik ging dus net 21 worden. Het was mijn achtendertigste performance. Ik ben daarmee \u0026ldquo;officieel\u0026rdquo; begonnen in 1979 maar eigenlijk al in 1976. Toen deed ik ook al dergelijke dingen, zoals het rondzeulen met een steen, ik heb daar nog een opname van, maar ik wist niet dat er zoiets bestond als performances of acties. In het Sint-Lukas Instituut stopte de hedendaagse kunstgeschiedenis in 1945. In 1976 was het voor iemand van zeventien jaar onmogelijk te weten te komen dat er mensen bestonden als Chris Burden. Maar ik ging naar school in Brussel en ik woonde in Vilvoorde. En \u0026rsquo;s avonds en \u0026lsquo;s nachts begon ik dingen te doen. De eerste keer dat ik kennis maakte met Wiener Aktionisten als Rudolf Schwarzkogler en met Gina Pane was pas later, in de Brusselse Galerie Baronian.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Waarom vernoem je Vilvoorde?\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: In Machelen, een deelgemeente van Vilvoorde, hebben ze een hele wijk afgebroken om de verkeerswisselaar tussen de E19 en de E40 te bouwen. Mijn grootouders woonden in die wijk. Naast hun huis stond er nog \u0026eacute;\u0026eacute;n en daar liep de straat dood. Daarachter verrees het viaduct. Voor hun huis bevond zich een put van tien meter diep. Later, om het lawaai te dempen, werd aan de overkant van de straat een drie meter hoge, metalen muur gebouwd. Dat werd het uitzicht van mijn grootouders voor de rest van hun leven. De industrie in Vilvoorde begon minder goed te marcheren. Vlakbij was de luchthaven. Het was een heel terneerdrukkende, maar tegelijk opwindende omgeving. Ik denk dat je maar \u0026eacute;\u0026eacute;n keer in je leven zo\u0026rsquo;n verkeerswisselaar kan zien bouwen. In Belgi\u0026euml; hebben ze daar geen plaats meer voor. Maar ik ben geen sociaal ge\u0026euml;ngageerd kunstenaar. Ik denk gewoon vanuit mijn omgeving en ik doe dingen. Wat die dingen betekenen, moeten anderen uitmaken. Het is zoals met die ladders. Wanneer is iets een ladder? Wanneer het eruitziet als een ladder? Of moet je ermee kunnen klimmen?\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Had je toen het gevoel dat er geen plaats meer was voor gewone mensen?\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: Ja\u0026hellip; Tegelijk waren ze in Brussel de Noordwijk aan het slopen. En ik pendelde heen en weer tussen die plekken. Dat was echt No Future. Ik zat toen in de Punk en de New Wave. Tijdens het eerste jaar aan de academie bouwde ik met vezelplaten een installatie waar de mensen mochten doorlopen. Pas als ze in het midden waren, beseften ze dat ze bovenop mij stonden.\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u003cbr /\u003e\r\nMontagne de Miel, 1 juni 2012\u003c/p\u003e\r\n"},{"locale":"fr","short_description":"","description":"\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e_____________________________\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003eHans Theys\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eJe fais des choses\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003ePetit entretien avec Danny Devos\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003eDanny Devos (n\u0026eacute; en\u0026nbsp;1959) est l\u0026rsquo;un des artistes les plus radicaux et coh\u0026eacute;rents de notre pays. Je ne le connais pas personnellement, mais je l\u0026rsquo;ai rencontr\u0026eacute; \u0026agrave; quelques reprises. Il est sur ses gardes, ou autrement dit, alerte et concentr\u0026eacute;. L\u0026rsquo;occasion de notre entretien est une performance qu\u0026rsquo;il a ex\u0026eacute;cut\u0026eacute;e en\u0026nbsp;1980 dans l\u0026rsquo;ICC \u0026agrave; Anvers. Dans un ouvrage publi\u0026eacute; r\u0026eacute;cemment, il a d\u0026eacute;crit cette performance comme suit\u0026thinsp;: \u0026laquo;\u0026nbsp;J\u0026rsquo;ai plac\u0026eacute; des \u0026eacute;chelles que j\u0026rsquo;avais fabriqu\u0026eacute;es moi-m\u0026ecirc;me sur l\u0026rsquo;escalier en marbre et je me suis ensuite laiss\u0026eacute; tomber de l\u0026rsquo;escalier \u0026agrave; six reprises.\u0026nbsp;\u0026raquo; Je lui ai demand\u0026eacute; de quels mat\u0026eacute;riaux \u0026eacute;taient faites ces \u0026eacute;chelles et s\u0026rsquo;il les avait utilis\u0026eacute;es pour amortir ou guider sa chute.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003eDanny Devos\u0026thinsp;: Non. Ces \u0026eacute;chelles faisaient partie de mon projet de fin d\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;tudes \u0026agrave; l\u0026rsquo;Acad\u0026eacute;mie de Gand. Elles \u0026eacute;taient constitu\u0026eacute;es de toutes sortes de mat\u0026eacute;riaux. L\u0026rsquo;une \u0026eacute;tait form\u0026eacute;e de branches que j\u0026rsquo;avais li\u0026eacute;es ensemble avec du pl\u0026acirc;tre \u0026agrave; pansements, j\u0026rsquo;avais d\u0026eacute;coup\u0026eacute; une autre dans du tissu, etc. J\u0026rsquo;avais expos\u0026eacute; ces \u0026eacute;chelles sur cet escalier en marbre, mais pour la performance, je les avais enlev\u0026eacute;es, je crois. C\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;tait sans doute le dernier jour de l\u0026rsquo;exposition. Tu pourrais le v\u0026eacute;rifier sur YouTube. On y trouve une petite vid\u0026eacute;o de la performance. (C\u0026rsquo;est ce que j\u0026rsquo;ai fait. Elle s\u0026rsquo;appelle \u003cem\u003eDDV\u0026nbsp;\u0026ndash;\u0026nbsp;Trapfilmpje [remix]\u003c/em\u003e. On n\u0026rsquo;y distingue pas d\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;chelles.) Ces \u0026eacute;chelles, c\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;taient des bouche-trous. La performance consistait en ce que je me suis laiss\u0026eacute; tomber \u0026agrave; six reprises de l\u0026rsquo;escalier \u0026agrave; partir de la position accroupie.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Tu avais 21\u0026nbsp;ans.\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003eDevos\u0026thinsp;: Oui, c\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;tait en septembre, j\u0026rsquo;allais donc avoir tout juste 21\u0026nbsp;ans. C\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;tait ma 38e\u0026nbsp;performance. Je les ai commenc\u0026eacute;es \u0026laquo;\u0026nbsp;officiellement\u0026nbsp;\u0026raquo; en\u0026nbsp;1979, mais en fait d\u0026egrave;s\u0026nbsp;1976. Je faisais d\u0026eacute;j\u0026agrave; \u0026agrave; l\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;poque des choses de ce genre, comme trimbaler une pierre, j\u0026rsquo;en ai encore un enregistrement, mais j\u0026rsquo;ignorais qu\u0026rsquo;il existait des choses appel\u0026eacute;es performances ou actions. \u0026Agrave; l\u0026rsquo;Institut Saint-Luc, l\u0026rsquo;histoire de l\u0026rsquo;art contemporain s\u0026rsquo;arr\u0026ecirc;tait en\u0026nbsp;1945. En\u0026nbsp;1976, il \u0026eacute;tait impossible pour quelqu\u0026rsquo;un de 17\u0026nbsp;ans de savoir qu\u0026rsquo;il existait des personnes telles que Chris Burden. Mais j\u0026rsquo;allais \u0026agrave; l\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;cole \u0026agrave; Bruxelles et j\u0026rsquo;habitais Vilvorde. Et le soir et la nuit, j\u0026rsquo;ai commenc\u0026eacute; \u0026agrave; faire des trucs. La premi\u0026egrave;re fois que j\u0026rsquo;ai fait la connaissance des Wiener Aktionisten comme Rudolf Schwarzkogler et de Gina Pane, c\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;tait plus tard, dans la Galerie Baronian \u0026agrave; Bruxelles.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Pourquoi cites-tu Vilvorde\u0026thinsp;?\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003eDevos\u0026thinsp;: \u0026Agrave; Machelen, une commune fusionn\u0026eacute;e avec Vilvorde, on a d\u0026eacute;moli un quartier entier pour am\u0026eacute;nager l\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;changeur autoroutier entre l\u0026rsquo;E19 et l\u0026rsquo;E40. Mes grands-parents habitaient ce quartier. \u0026Agrave; c\u0026ocirc;t\u0026eacute; de leur maison s\u0026rsquo;en trouvait encore une autre, et puis la rue se terminait l\u0026agrave; en cul-de-sac. Derri\u0026egrave;re s\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;levait le viaduc. Devant leur maison se trouvait un puits de 10\u0026nbsp;m\u0026egrave;tres de profondeur. Par la suite, en vue d\u0026rsquo;amortir le bruit, on a construit de l\u0026rsquo;autre c\u0026ocirc;t\u0026eacute; de la rue un mur en m\u0026eacute;tal de 3\u0026nbsp;m\u0026egrave;tres de haut. Voil\u0026agrave; la vue qu\u0026rsquo;ont eue mes grands-parents pour le reste de leur vie. \u0026Agrave; Vilvorde, l\u0026rsquo;industrie commen\u0026ccedil;ait \u0026agrave; aller moins bien. L\u0026rsquo;a\u0026eacute;roport \u0026eacute;tait tout pr\u0026egrave;s. C\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;tait un cadre tr\u0026egrave;s d\u0026eacute;primant, mais en m\u0026ecirc;me temps excitant. Je crois qu\u0026rsquo;on ne peut voir qu\u0026rsquo;une seule fois dans sa vie construire un tel \u0026eacute;changeur routier. En Belgique, on n\u0026rsquo;a plus la place pour le faire. Mais je ne suis pas un artiste socialement engag\u0026eacute;. Je pense simplement \u0026agrave; partir de mon environnement et je fais des choses. \u0026Agrave; d\u0026rsquo;autres de d\u0026eacute;couvrir ce que signifient ces choses. C\u0026rsquo;est comme avec ces \u0026eacute;chelles. \u0026Agrave; quel moment une chose devient-elle une \u0026eacute;chelle\u0026thinsp;? Lorsqu\u0026rsquo;elle a l\u0026rsquo;air d\u0026rsquo;une \u0026eacute;chelle\u0026thinsp;? Ou faut-il pouvoir y grimper\u0026thinsp;?\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Tu avais alors l\u0026rsquo;impression qu\u0026rsquo;il n\u0026rsquo;y avait plus de place pour les gens\u0026thinsp;?\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003eDevos\u0026thinsp;: Oui\u0026hellip; En m\u0026ecirc;me temps, on d\u0026eacute;molissait le Quartier Nord \u0026agrave; Bruxelles. Et je faisais la navette entre ces endroits. C\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;tait vraiment No Future. J\u0026rsquo;\u0026eacute;tais alors dans le Punk et la New Wave. Pendant ma premi\u0026egrave;re ann\u0026eacute;e \u0026agrave; l\u0026rsquo;Acad\u0026eacute;mie, j\u0026rsquo;avais construit une installation avec des panneaux agglom\u0026eacute;r\u0026eacute;s, \u0026agrave; travers laquelle les gens pouvaient passer. Ce n\u0026rsquo;est que lorsqu\u0026rsquo;ils se trouvaient au milieu qu\u0026rsquo;ils se rendaient compte qu\u0026rsquo;ils se tenaient sur moi.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cbr /\u003e\r\n\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003eMontagne de Miel, 1\u0026nbsp;juin 2012\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n"},{"locale":"ru","short_description":"","description":""},{"locale":"de","short_description":"","description":"\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e____________________________\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eHans Theys\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eI\u0026nbsp;Do Things\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eConversation with Danny Devos\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDanny Devos (b.\u0026thinsp;1959) is one of the most radical and consistent artists in our country. I\u0026nbsp;don\u0026rsquo;t know him personally, but I\u0026nbsp;did meet him a\u0026nbsp;few times. He is alert and focused. The reason for our conversation is his 1980\u0026nbsp;performance at the International Cultural Centre (ICC) in Antwerp. In a\u0026nbsp;recently published monography, he described this work as follows: \u0026lsquo;I\u0026nbsp;placed my home-made ladders on the marble staircase and threw myself down it, from top to bottom, six times.\u0026rsquo; I\u0026nbsp;asked him about the materials he had used to make the ladders and whether they had crashed down with him, or if they had broken his fall.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDanny Devos: No. The ladders were part of my graduation project at the Academy in Ghent. They were made from different materials. One was crafted from branches held together with plaster of Paris, another had been cut out of fabric and so on. I\u0026rsquo;d exhibited those ladders on the marble staircase, but I\u0026nbsp;think I\u0026nbsp;removed them for the performance. It was probably the last day of the exhibition. You could check it out on YouTube, where there\u0026rsquo;s a\u0026nbsp;video of the performance. (I\u0026nbsp;did as he suggested: the video is called \u003cem\u003eDDV \u0026ndash;\u0026nbsp;Trapfilmpje [remix]\u003c/em\u003e; there are no ladders in the clip.) Those ladders, that was just filling. The performance consisted of me throwing myself down the stairs from a\u0026nbsp;crouching position, repeated six times.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- You were twenty-one.\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: Yes, it was in September, so I\u0026nbsp;was just turning twenty-one. It was my 38th performance. I\u0026nbsp;only \u0026lsquo;officially\u0026rsquo; started doing performances in\u0026nbsp;1979, but I\u0026rsquo;d been performing since\u0026nbsp;1976. I\u0026nbsp;did similar things back then, such as carrying a\u0026nbsp;rock for a\u0026nbsp;long time, I\u0026nbsp;still have a\u0026nbsp;recording of the work, yet had no idea\u0026nbsp;that performances or actions even existed. At the Sint-Lukas -Institute, contemporary art history stopped in\u0026nbsp;1945. In\u0026nbsp;1976, it was impossible for a\u0026nbsp;seventeen-year-old to find out about people like Chris Burden. But I\u0026nbsp;went to school in Brussels and lived in Vilvoorde. And I\u0026nbsp;started doing things in the evening and at night. I\u0026nbsp;didn\u0026rsquo;t find out about the Vienna\u0026nbsp;actionists, such as Rudolf Schwarzkogler and Gina\u0026nbsp;Pane, until much later, via\u0026nbsp;the Baronian Gallery in Brussels.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Why do you mention Vilvoorde?\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: In Machelen, a\u0026nbsp;district of Vilvoorde, they bulldozed an entire neighbourhood to build the junction between the E19 and the E40. My grandparents lived in the district. There was one other house next to theirs and then a\u0026nbsp;dead end, where the viaduct was built. On the other side of the street was a\u0026nbsp;10-metre-deep pit. Later, to reduce the noise, the authorities built a\u0026nbsp;3-metre-high metal wall across the street. That became my grandparents\u0026rsquo; view for the rest of their lives. The industry in Vilvoorde started to decline. The airport wasn\u0026rsquo;t far away. It was an extremely oppressive environment, but also very exciting. To witness the building of such a\u0026nbsp;junction is a\u0026nbsp;once in a\u0026nbsp;lifetime event. Belgium\u0026rsquo;s run out of space for such things. But I\u0026rsquo;m not a\u0026nbsp;socially engaged artist. I\u0026nbsp;just think from within my surroundings and I\u0026nbsp;do things. What these things mean, others have to decide. It\u0026rsquo;s the same with those ladders. When is something a\u0026nbsp;ladder? When it looks like a\u0026nbsp;ladder? Or do you have to be able to actually climb it?\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u003cem\u003e- Did this make you feel that there was no room left for common people?\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eDevos: Yes\u0026hellip; At the same time, they were demolishing the Quartier Nord in Brussels, where I\u0026nbsp;went to school. And I\u0026nbsp;shuttled back and forth between the two places. It really did feel as though there was No Future. I\u0026nbsp;was into Punk and New Wave at the time. During my first year at the Academy, I\u0026nbsp;used fibreboards to build an installation that people could walk through. Only when they were in the middle did they realise that they were standing on top of me.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003eMontagne de Miel, 1\u0026nbsp;June\u0026nbsp;2012\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\r\n\u003cp style=\"color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: sans-serif,Arial,Verdana,\u0026amp;quot;trebuchet ms\u0026amp;quot;; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;\"\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n"},{"locale":"es","short_description":"","description":""},{"locale":"el","short_description":"","description":""}],"actors":[]}